— Interview
Smashing Silos
Curator Susan Cross on ceramics today and what we can learn from the artists in Ceramics in the Expanded Field, her recently curated exhibition at MASS MoCA.
There are so many different ways I can answer this question because, in retrospect, I realized I’d grown up with ceramics. They were part of the water I was swimming in. It was part of my daily experience, along with the fact that we ate off of ceramics — off of plates and cups made by people that we knew. It was part of daily life and aesthetics.
When I started thinking about it as a curator, I noticed that about 12 to 15 years ago there was an explosion of ceramics in some of the galleries in New York and in private collections. There have been artists working in clay for decades, centuries, millennia … But in the contemporary world, you hadn’t seen ceramics so much and it had been really left out of conversations about contemporary sculpture and relegated to a world of craft, often even seen in an ethnographic context.
Every decade, we say that we’re breaking down hierarchies, but it seems like it’s never enough and there are more hierarchies to be broken down … I think that ceramics are benefiting from this more inclusive view of art making.
As we look at a culture that was very Eurocentric and patriarchal, we’re looking at art forms that were often relegated to the side because they were connected to the domestic sphere and women’s labor. Although ceramics are, for example, highly prized in Japan, a lot of the Western world kept them siloed. Now we’re realizing the importance of inclusivity on so many levels: Who’s making art? How are they making art? What do we consider art versus craft?
The title of the exhibition is meant to communicate something for those who don’t know the Krauss essay and those who do. At its face value, it lets people know what the show is about very directly: ceramics in an expanded field of making that includes the artist’s work in the fields of photography, printmaking, video, installation, performance, design, and architecture.
The reference to the Krauss essay can also be rather simple, but at the same time complex and layered, so a quick answer can be challenging. On the surface, my reference to Krauss’ argument suggests that the definitions, and perhaps expectations, of ceramics are being expanded as Krauss was noting about sculpture at the time of her article. There is another layer in this as well — while any definition of sculpture does not necessarily describe a material, ‘ceramics’ seems to be both a category of form, a material, and a process.
An important aspect of the show in that notion of the expanded field and breaking hierarchies down further is that a lot of our artists are working in other modes of making that — like clay — are also considered outside the fine art world, for lack of a better word. I showed Rose Simpson’s car [titled Maria (2014)] as an image, but it’s actually a sculpture. She restored this low rider herself and painted it to pay homage to Tewa artist Maria Martinez and her black-on-black ceramics. But, Rose also has a degree in metalwork, so I wanted to show that aspect of her making, which she integrates into her clay sculptures … Armando Cortés made vessels, but, to me, he actually made an architectural piece wrapping MASS MoCA’s columns in adobe and cedar. So, we’re thinking about how clay has been used for building. Likewise, Khalil Robert Irving is often referencing how clay is used to make bricks, and the importance of that industry in St. Louis, where he is from.
Most of the artists are also working in yet another discipline that has been left out of museums and, again, in this hierarchy placed in a different category.
Susan Cross is Senior Curator of Visual Arts at MASS MoCA, where she has organized exhibitions, commissions, and performances. Previously, she was a Curator at the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York.
There are so many different ways I can answer this question because, in retrospect, I realized I’d grown up with ceramics. They were part of the water I was swimming in. It was part of my daily experience, along with the fact that we ate off of ceramics — off of plates and cups made by people that we knew. It was part of daily life and aesthetics.
When I started thinking about it as a curator, I noticed that about 12 to 15 years ago there was an explosion of ceramics in some of the galleries in New York and in private collections. There have been artists working in clay for decades, centuries, millennia … But in the contemporary world, you hadn’t seen ceramics so much and it had been really left out of conversations about contemporary sculpture and relegated to a world of craft, often even seen in an ethnographic context.
Every decade, we say that we’re breaking down hierarchies, but it seems like it’s never enough and there are more hierarchies to be broken down … I think that ceramics are benefiting from this more inclusive view of art making.
As we look at a culture that was very Eurocentric and patriarchal, we’re looking at art forms that were often relegated to the side because they were connected to the domestic sphere and women’s labor. Although ceramics are, for example, highly prized in Japan, a lot of the Western world kept them siloed. Now we’re realizing the importance of inclusivity on so many levels: Who’s making art? How are they making art? What do we consider art versus craft?
The title of the exhibition is meant to communicate something for those who don’t know the Krauss essay and those who do. At its face value, it lets people know what the show is about very directly: ceramics in an expanded field of making that includes the artist’s work in the fields of photography, printmaking, video, installation, performance, design, and architecture.
The reference to the Krauss essay can also be rather simple, but at the same time complex and layered, so a quick answer can be challenging. On the surface, my reference to Krauss’ argument suggests that the definitions, and perhaps expectations, of ceramics are being expanded as Krauss was noting about sculpture at the time of her article. There is another layer in this as well — while any definition of sculpture does not necessarily describe a material, ‘ceramics’ seems to be both a category of form, a material, and a process.
An important aspect of the show in that notion of the expanded field and breaking hierarchies down further is that a lot of our artists are working in other modes of making that — like clay — are also considered outside the fine art world, for lack of a better word. I showed Rose Simpson’s car [titled Maria (2014)] as an image, but it’s actually a sculpture. She restored this low rider herself and painted it to pay homage to Tewa artist Maria Martinez and her black-on-black ceramics. But, Rose also has a degree in metalwork, so I wanted to show that aspect of her making, which she integrates into her clay sculptures … Armando Cortés made vessels, but, to me, he actually made an architectural piece wrapping MASS MoCA’s columns in adobe and cedar. So, we’re thinking about how clay has been used for building. Likewise, Khalil Robert Irving is often referencing how clay is used to make bricks, and the importance of that industry in St. Louis, where he is from.
Most of the artists are also working in yet another discipline that has been left out of museums and, again, in this hierarchy placed in a different category.
Susan Cross is Senior Curator of Visual Arts at MASS MoCA, where she has organized exhibitions, commissions, and performances. Previously, she was a Curator at the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York.